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"How can you square this with our being the christian nation"

Just read Machen's Christianity and Liberalism...Machen was extremely hostile to the socialists and more or less knew the history of Christianity.


"Why does the word "socialism" cause the response/reaction that it does? Why would there be such hositlity towards that which is aimed to improve the plight of the poor/less fortunate?"

First off, socialism causes a ton of hatred because what it's linked to. Look at the USSR. There are many things which aren't mentioned that often in the West, especially the 'immigrant nations' (called because the bulk of their population immigrated from Europe) of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and the US. Among those were the following:

-The man-made famine of Ukraine 1932-33, 10,000,000 people killed (7,500,000 Ukranians)
-The forced settling of the Kazakhs (1,000,000 dead)
-The forced movement eastward of the Ukranians and the 1946-47 famine (4,000,000 dead)
-The mass expulsion of 12,000,000 Eastern Germans (2,630,000 dead)
-The mass expulsion of 5,400,000 Austrians (855,000 dead)
-The mass deportation of 5,900,000 Poles (1,850,000 killed)
-The massacre of 1,490,000 Poles
-The massacre of 800,000 Romanians

Many of those events were the direct result of the Yalta sellout, which was based upon the faulty logic shown below:

The USSR claimed that Eastern Poland had an overwhelming majority of Ukranians and Belorussians
-The fact is that in 1939, the Polish population of the territory to be annexed in 1944 was 5,250,000 or 41.47% out of a total of 12,662,000
-The combined Ukrainian and Belorussian population was 6,025,000 or 47.58%
-The provinces of Volhynia and Polesia held 2,400,000 Ukranians and Belorussians or 36.09% of the national total along with only around 700,000 Poles
-There were at least 1,000,000 Poles in the USSR as of 1939

The USSR claimed that Bessarabia and Bukovina had an overwhelming majority of Ukranians
-The fact is that in 1939, the Romanian population of those territories was roughly 2,250,000 out of a total of 4,250,000
-The Ukrainian population was only around 1,300,000
-There were at least 400,000 Romanians in the USSR in 1939

The USSR and communist Poland claimed that there were only 2,000,000-3,000,000 Germans in the eastern provinces and 'the corridor'
-The fact is that there were some 8,950,000 out of a total population of 9,500,000 in the provinces along with 1,790,000 more in 'the corridor' and Danzig
-The Polish population was only around 550,000
-Combined, the Russians and Lithuanians numbered only around 200,000 out of 1,300,000 in northern East Prussia

Then you have the camps, in many ways similar to those of Hitler, on top of that many were in Siberia where winter temperatures could drop below -100F

Finally you have the wide range of estimates on how many people Stalin killed. The 'low numbers' are around 9,000,000 during the 30s however they are no more reliable than the 1,000,000 dead in the holocaust. Most estimates are between 40,000,000 and 50,000,000, all in the name of Communism, which is as akin to socialism as fascism is to Nazism, and indeed, socialism is fascism.


Now for how the system works, it benefits nobody, save those in power. Those who are succeeding in life are punished with horribly unequal taxes while those who aren't trying or are simply doing nothing are rewarded. Unions gain an absurd amount of power and suck the nations dry of money and gain all sorts of insane 'concessions' such as not being able to fire someone without paying them a ton of money, having a 35 hour workweek, having a 2 hour long lunch break and finally having massive pensions. All of those are counterproductive. A good example is Italy where in 2005, it's GDP only grew by 0.2% (compared with 3.5% for the US) and it's industrial production fell by 1.5% (compared with a gain of 3.2% in the US). You also have insanely high taxes and massive bureaucracy. Here are western Europe (minus Norway, Switzerland and micronations, countries with either under 250,000 inhabitants or an area of under 500 mi^2) and the US put side-by-side as of 2005:

Here is Western Europe for you as of 2005:
Unemployment=8.64%
Labuor Force=184,524,900
GDP Growth=$165,029,650,000.00 (+1.49%)
Population=382,306,454
GDP Per Capita=$29,056.09
GDP=$11,108,330,000,000.00
Budget=$5,744,535,000,000.00 (51.71% of GDP)
Expenditures=$6,116,283,000,000.00 (55.06% of GDP)
Annual Debt=$371,748,000,000.00 (3.35% of GDP)
Total Debt=$22,129,200,000,000.00 (199.21% of GDP)

And here is the US as of 2005:
Unemployment=5.1%
Labuor Force=149,300,000
GDP Growth=$434,350,000,000.00 (+3.5%)
Population=295,734,134
GDP Per Capita=$41,963.37
GDP=$12,410,000,000,000.00
Budget=$2,119,000,000,000.00 (17.07% of GDP)
Expenditures=$2,466,000,000,000.00 (19.87% of GDP)
Annual Debt=$347,000,000,000.00 (2.80% of GDP)
Total Debt=$8,837,000,000,000.00 (71.21% of GDP)

Look at the difference in GDP, GDP Growth rate, Total Debt, Annual Debt and most importantly, the size of the governments. Heck the combined nations of western Europe have their annual debt increase roughly twice as fast as their GDP! On can clearly see that the US is in the better and that is due to the fact that the poison which is socialism hasn't been elevated to toxic levels yet. And Western Europe has roughly 57.5% of the entire debt of the world. Finally look at the unemployment, for a system which is supposed to help people, more of them are without jobs. And this is 'democratic socialism,' as much of an oxymoron as multicultural Nazism. Finally, when taking inflation into account (1-2%), the GDP in western Europe is actually stagnant. This is the system that you want to model after? Unemployment which is usually over 10%, government spending in excess of 55% of the GDP, insane taxation and an army of bureaucrats? For the record, the larger the government, the fewer freedoms and less influence the individual citizen has and the greater likelihood you have of forming a political elite.


Btw I wouldn't be quoting Nietzche, if there was such a thing as a nazi before 1923, than he would most defiantly qualify. Heck the Nazis used his works in their propaganda, namely the one about 'supermen.'

Also, virtually all socialists are pacifists, however that is not a good thing:

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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

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-Edmund Burke