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Posts: 568 (10/31/06 14:20:27) libertarian |
Quote: Where's that emoticon of the smiley in full convulsive laughter, rolling on the ground, slapping the ground with his hand? McDonalds accepts foodstamps because there's more profit in it. |
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Posts: 317 (10/31/06 14:44:12) Attorney General |
Quote:You forgot the part of fast food lobbyists greasing politicians. |
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Posts: 568 (10/31/06 19:33:09) libertarian |
In the restaurant?
Or do you mean in the Capitol? [Or do you mean in the bath house?] |
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Posts: 2213 (10/31/06 23:43:26) Proto-imperialist |
Quote: NO....we're talking poverty HERE in the US...not some third world country. Quote:. Oh, so that eases your conscience? The fact remains, 12.9 million kids, here in the United States, live at or below the poverty level. Quote: They've bought into that "American Dream/equality/justice for all" @#%$, perhaps? Quote: Hardly. You talk a good show of knowing of poverty....but are in fact the one clueless. |
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Posts: 284 (11/01/06 01:30:34) Hardcase |
I hope some of you are aware of the U.N. Human Development Index. It is a ranking of the worlds most (and least) livable countries in the world. They have been doing this study for the last 20 years or so. They compile and score such factors as life expectancy, pollution, affluence, political stability, education system, health care, crime rate, etc. You get the picture. Would you be suprised if I told you that virtually every year, about eight of the top ten countries are of very "social persuasion"? Canada has won the number one honour more times than anyone. I believe it was ranked number one six or seven years in a row. Canada is not known as a hotbed of conservatives, at least not by U.S. standards. The rightmost political party in Canada is somewhat to the left of the U.S. Democratic Party.
Here's the top ten in the 2005 rankings (I don't know if 2006 is out or not): 1. Norway 2. Iceland 3. Australia 4. Luxembourg 5. Canada 6. Sweden 7. Switzerland 8. Ireland 9. Belgium 10. United States |
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Posts: 1499 (11/01/06 08:59:38) Member |
McDonald's doesn't accept foodstamps. You guys have obviously never been on them.
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Posts: 1499 (11/01/06 09:03:26) Member |
Once food is heated, it is a service and foodstamps cannot pay for a service. Trust me, I know.
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Posts: 5407 (11/01/06 09:32:31) Administrator Indiana Jane |
I don't know if you saw the post, Tim...but MLEVIN said that she recently saw a sign with the logo for foodstamps on display at McDonalds. She said that she later asked a politician about it and was told that this was now the case.
Could the rules be different from state to state? |
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Posts: 1499 (11/01/06 09:35:49) Member |
BTW, I know what it is like to be working my @#%$ off and my wife doing the same and still getting our heat shut off in below zero weather. I wonder if any of you have ever had that happen with your babies in diapers and begging the guy to leave it on until you can get in touch with the office. All you experts on welfare and those who claim to feel the pain of the poor. What a bunch of BS, from both sides of the issue.
I'd rather pay for the thousand that abuse the system than let one child or family who needs it go to bed hungry or cold tonight. |
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Posts: 1499 (11/01/06 09:37:13) Member |
BTW, you smug democrats. Your boy Clinton didn't do a @#%$ thing to help us either. He passed welfare reform.
Bush is the only president that has helped us finacially. Tax cuts and increased earned income credit and the like. You guys are all feeling our pain but not doing @#%$, as always. I pulled myself out of the gutter and others can as well. One party helps people out of the gutter and the other continues to keep them there with empty promises and excuses. The latter is the democratic party. |
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Posts: 1499 (11/01/06 09:38:24) Member |
Quote: This only happens in a few districts. It's not a state-wide thing anywhere. |
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Posts: 2213 (11/01/06 10:38:01) Proto-imperialist |
AH---What state and who is your energy co?
With cold weather/winter coming on, these companies aren't to automatically....simply shut your power off. Have you talked to them....explained the situation, that there are wee babes in the home? If no avail....phone the attorney general of your state. Might ask assistance, via church. Also, some companies, have a fund, to assist less fortunate, assist with their heating bill (members contribute an amount each month) ask to use this/ qualify. Does your company have equal pay....installment plan? If push comes to shove....threaten them, to sue there @#%$, if anything causes harm/illness to the babies, the result of the energy co turning your heat off. |
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Posts: 5407 (11/01/06 10:46:18) Administrator Indiana Jane |
Luck,
Just last winter a family of 2 or 3 children in a family of 5 died in Indianapolis because of the gas being shut off. (they were using space heaters) Gas companies do it all the time. It is perfectly legal here in Indiana for the gas companies to shut the heat off - regardless of the temperature. No grounds for a lawsuit. |
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Posts: 2213 (11/01/06 11:07:13) Proto-imperialist |
Julie you sure?
I would suggest contacting attorney generals office. AH---if definite shut off....perhaps move in with relatives? Move the children/selves to a shelter? Church group etc. And you do hear of people dying due to this scearnio. Yet, you would think those elected would pass serious legislation to eleviate this. There's turning a profit....and then there is unconsciable. LoTD
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying"....Kurt Vonnegut I turned to speak to God About the world's despair; But to make matters worse I found God wasn't there. --Robert Frost |
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Posts: 317 (11/01/06 11:30:44) Attorney General |
Gas companies shut off gas not heat. There are many different ways for people to keep warm. Gas companies do what they do because otherwise people would simply not pay for gas.
If there is a problem with money to pay gas heat then there are agencies that will help, both government and private. In other countries there are no options. In Bangladesh, there are literally people dying from cold, if temperatures go down to low 50s. Because they are homeless, there are no shelters available and they do not have warm clothing to keep them warm. Rita |
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Posts: 2213 (11/01/06 11:45:19) Proto-imperialist |
Gas companies shut off gas not heat. There are many different ways for people to keep warm. Gas companies do what they do because otherwise people would simply not pay for gas.
Understood.....but even renting....the occupants have rights and the owner simply can't out of the blue, shut off the heat. Those renting do have recourse, but time is of the essence in this particular situation. Quote: Correct...and that was what I was suggesting. Quote: Well, hell.....that makes it better/alright/squares the ole conscience, hey? !!! LoTD
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying"....Kurt Vonnegut I turned to speak to God About the world's despair; But to make matters worse I found God wasn't there. --Robert Frost |
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Posts: 5407 (11/01/06 12:26:09) Administrator Indiana Jane |
www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=4612520&nav=9Tai
This family was using an alternative form of heat. We are not in Bangladesh. There is no good reason these children should've died. |
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Posts: 5407 (11/01/06 12:33:00) Administrator Indiana Jane |
AH is no longer in this situation. In fact - after much hard work - they are far it at this point.
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Posts: 2213 (11/01/06 12:55:22) Proto-imperialist |
Very good.
Yet, a time in his life...that he was deperate/couldn't provide for those he loved. Financial straits/pinch? And the self same scenario repeated daily thru out this nation. When we read about a death, consequences that resulted, then and only then are we touched....after the fact we can voice our concern/get in touch with our emotions......put ourselves in anothers place. |
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Posts: 317 (11/01/06 13:11:54) Attorney General |
Quote:This family died because of stupidity and/or laziness. 1.They were too stupid/lazy to find out about dangers of space heaters (warning labels are on all of them). 2. They were too stupid/lazy to move it away from the couch 3. They were too stupid/lazy to look for alternate ways to fund their heating. People in Bangladesh could not be accused of stupidity/laziness. They are poor and have no way to get out of the situation. My best friend lives in Bangladesh. She belongs to a group of women who support 50 poor families, they provide them with food. Once someone of the 50 gets a job, a new family gets in to be supported. Without this support all or part of the family will die from starvation. Nothing in USA can compare. So, when you quote numbers of US living below poverty lines, you must keep in mind that by any other standard ie Bangladesh, it is not even close to poverty. |
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