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Posts: 550 (07/17/07 17:30:36) Hardcase |
But technology has altered the game in so many ways and not just steroids. So should each technology be abandoned that increases a person performance?
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Posts: 63 (07/17/07 17:32:37) |
Quote: More fallacies. Improved baseball bats are available to everyone, even those who are smart enough to not want to damage their body. Now, I understand that you will keep trying on this vein, but I am finished. You are either playing a game, or are a hopeless one. "Theology focuses on our experience of being limited and finite and yet related to that which is limitless and infinite." Ann Belford Ulanov
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mcguppy |
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Posts: 550 (07/17/07 17:35:41) Hardcase |
Quote: The problem is that you are now trying to combine two seperate points into one point. Now that's be disengenuos as well. Do you want to talk about people acquiring an advantage over somebody else or do you want to talk about side affects of the drug. You keep trying to combine them which shouldn't be done. 1)Garland of Chaos is finally defeated 2)The Emperor of Pandaemonium is finally defeated 3)I would have tried to deafeat it but it was in Japanese |
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mcguppy |
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Posts: 550 (07/17/07 17:41:22) Hardcase |
Quote: And earlier you said just because everybody can use the advantage shouldn't be an allowable excuse. Of course you're all obsessed with a different point about side affects that shouldn't even be in the same discussion as whether or not we allow advantages. 1)Garland of Chaos is finally defeated 2)The Emperor of Pandaemonium is finally defeated 3)I would have tried to deafeat it but it was in Japanese |
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MorgaineA77 |
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Posts: 63 (07/17/07 17:50:13) |
You keep trying to seperate the advantage from the drug (and the side effects aren't the only issue) and you are wrong. They can't be seperated in this context.
Quote:No Quote:"Shouldn't be allowed in the discussion" and your comrades call me a fascist.  Look, the bottom line is that steriod use for sports enhancement does affect more than the person who takes them. Period. "Theology focuses on our experience of being limited and finite and yet related to that which is limitless and infinite." Ann Belford Ulanov
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mcguppy |
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Posts: 550 (07/17/07 18:59:59) Hardcase |
Quote: And so does that college education. 1)Garland of Chaos is finally defeated 2)The Emperor of Pandaemonium is finally defeated 3)I would have tried to deafeat it but it was in Japanese |
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MorgaineA77 |
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Posts: 63 (07/17/07 19:11:21) |
Continue to play with yourself, as that is all you have done so far.
"Theology focuses on our experience of being limited and finite and yet related to that which is limitless and infinite." Ann Belford Ulanov
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mcguppy |
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Posts: 550 (07/17/07 19:15:55) Hardcase |
So when your statement gets refuted you just can't take it I see.
1)Garland of Chaos is finally defeated 2)The Emperor of Pandaemonium is finally defeated 3)I would have tried to deafeat it but it was in Japanese |
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not2serious |
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Posts: 1133 (07/17/07 20:06:11) Oracle |
Quote: So can over eating, smoking. If you do not want to compete, then start your own league where it is illegal. You have the right to do with your body anything you want. So to keep my job, I work 80 hours a week, costing me my family, my happiness and my health, probably worse than the steroids. Do you think that working should be limited to 40 hours? I mean I cannot compete for that corner office unless I work the health robbing, stress producing hours! Whah whah whah, I want everything free at no risk to me. Whah whah whan, those mean old 'individual responsibility" and risk allowing libertarians. I NEED to be told what to do, I need to have people handle my money, I NEED someone to take care of me, for I am a loooooser, incapable of taking care of myself, be responsible for myself. Hey, it is their testicals, they can do what they want with them, and take any risks they choose. If they are dumb enough to take steroids, then maybe it is good they do not reproduce. he he he Allan |
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not2serious |
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Posts: 1133 (07/17/07 20:17:38) Oracle |
Quote: I think not. You have the right to do bad things to your body, it is YOUR FREEDOM. The problem with you, is you have never grown up. In case nobody told you, when you grow up, you get to make your own choices, and GASP EVEN BAD ONES! How many people kill themselves with eating too much? Should we eliminate all sugar from our diet BY FORCE? How about those who do risky sports, do risky jobs? And when you remove the risk, then just WHAT are you living for, the bingo game at 70. And how about the people who kill themselves by not getting enough athletics? Should they be FORCED to walk, run, participate in sports? how about overweight people who end up Diabetic? So to you, the security of people telling you what you can and cannot do is more important than individual freedoms? you need to go home and live with mom and dad so someone can tell you what to do and not to do, tell you when to go to bed, when to poop and how high and how often. Thats what I call a "looser". Most people consider a 40 year old man or woman still living with their parents, afraid to face choices. Allan |
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not2serious |
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Posts: 1133 (07/17/07 20:24:38) Oracle |
Quote: Morgain, when someone checkmates you solidly, you must be the type that kick over the chess board and calls it a stupid game. A college education leads to a stressful work life, which shortens a person's life span. And millions die of heart disease (the biggest killer of women) is caused by a sitting lifestyle, which they are seeing in teenagers now. I think you will find the use of steroids causing death, the eating of fast foods, the eating of sugar, the consumption of booze are a much more dangerous risk than steroids. I have been facinated at the inability of the average human to access risk. Go read some boring mortuary statistics on the web. See what REALLY kills most people. You will really wake up quick. Allan |
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paxpatriot |
Re: bad choices | ||
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Posts: 1598 (07/17/07 20:34:12) Banned User |
EF said...
"The issue I am addressing is the silly suggestion that if athletes want to stay competitive they should willingly take steroids. In other words, because someone has gained an advantage within the contest by doing harm to themselves, you as an athlete should be required (in order to stay competitive) to do harm to yourself also. That is insane." I agree-athletes should not take steroids. No one is requiring them to, this is Morgains idea. No one is advocating it. Indeed, have I not repeatedl said that athletic organizations could choose to ban any sbstance they chose? But there is not good reason for the tate to control an individuals choices in this matter. |
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paxpatriot |
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Posts: 1598 (07/17/07 20:38:29) Banned User |
"Look, the bottom line is that steriod use for sports enhancement does affect more than the person who takes them. Period."
So does EVERYTHING a person does to some degree. For the effect to be a warrant for regulation the effect has to be a lot more direct than any you are claiming, Morgaine. Indeed, some things (smoking, driving ginormous SUV's) have much cearer effects than steroid use. And indeed-why should a non=athlete who wants to use steroids be barred from using them? If you don't want performance enhancing drugs used by athletes, than sporting organizations can regulate it though contract agreements. There is no need for government action. Poblem solved. |
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not2serious |
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Posts: 1133 (07/17/07 20:42:45) Oracle |
Pax, I agree with you wow, how did that happen.
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paxpatriot |
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Posts: 1598 (07/17/07 20:45:12) Banned User |
Not, even a stoped clock is right twice a day.
Of course, we probably disagree which one of us is stopped. A good part of libertarian theory is well founded; this is one of those areas. |
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MorgaineA77 |
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Posts: 63 (07/17/07 22:40:10) |
N2S, the problem with your example is that while some people having an education may be an advantage for them, getting an education doesn't cause harm to those to have to get it to compete.
Quote:No, I acknowledge it gracefully. That hasn't happened here. Quote: You wouldn't happen to have scientific evidence that a college degree leads to these things. The reality is that a college education doesn't lead to any more stress than not having one. Making things up from your behind is not scientific. Working in a factory has been shown to have as much if not more stress. Quote:Teenagers don't have college degrees, so there you go. Teens play too many video games. Quote: You were trying to prove that a college education is as dangerous as steroids. In order to do that you have made a fallacy of logic by making a false connection with college grads eating more sugar, booze and fast food. You haven't bothered to try to prove that, probably because it isn't true. Quote:I am fascinated by the incorrect assumptions and false correlations you make. Quote:Steroids would not kill most people because most people do not take them. But you are really clever at misusing stats. Some people might even fall for that. What were you saying about checkmates? Ah this was it.... 'Morgain, when someone checkmates me solidly, I am the type that kicks over the chess board and makes up stupid new rules, that I back with 'factoids' that I make up.' "Theology focuses on our experience of being limited and finite and yet related to that which is limitless and infinite." Ann Belford Ulanov
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paxpatriot |
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Posts: 1598 (07/18/07 01:08:31) Banned User |
"Pax, the problem with your example is that while some people having an education may be an advantage for them, getting an education doesn't cause harm to those to have to get it to compete."
Was not my example. sides, how do you know people getting educated does not hurt themselves and others? But regardless /I dont gve a @#%$ if all athletes use steroids, or none do Regulate t as part of a voluntary agreement all you want. The state should not have a role in it. |
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paxpatriot |
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Posts: 1598 (07/18/07 01:09:13) Banned User |
I understand people on steroids can become governor of California and win multiple tour de Frances...
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mcguppy |
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Posts: 550 (07/18/07 01:13:29) Hardcase |
Quote: Actually it can. I, and many other students, spent many hours studying depriving ourselves of enough sleep many a nights. That put a big strain on us physically. So inable to get our advantage we had to do harm to ourselves. Even some went as far as probably taking speed, or Vivarin/No-Doz, as well to stay ahead of the curve. Drinking exorbinant amounts of coffee isn't exactly healthy either. It's legal but it's npt healthy really in able to get and keep that advantage. 1)Garland of Chaos is finally defeated 2)The Emperor of Pandaemonium is finally defeated 3)I would have tried to deafeat it but it was in Japanese |
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paxpatriot |
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Posts: 1598 (07/18/07 01:34:25) Banned User |
Not to mention the financial burden of student loans
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