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jimmiller46	Why can't we sell our own bones?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 680 (06/19/07 09:58:22) Syndicalist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Why smuggle bones? People ought to be able to dispose of bones as they wish, by selling or donating,etc.,provided sanitary rules are followed. My bones are my property. Or, they become the property of my heirs if I make no provision in my will. It ought not to be necessary to resort to smuggling to satisfy a market demand. If my bones have value then my heirs should get the benefit of that value.
Manruss	Re: Why can't we sell our own bones?	#1	[-]
Posts: 1168 (06/19/07 13:32:52) Unindicted Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'll give you twenty bucks for a femur. ----------------------- Visit my weblog!
jimmiller46	Re: Why can't we sell our own bones?	#2	[-]
Posts: 680 (06/19/07 13:33:41) Syndicalist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'll wait for a better offer,thanks.
ImperatorRex	Re: Why can't we sell our own bones?	#3	[-]
Posts: 4612 (06/19/07 16:48:49) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Jim, $20.17. Wait, I just found two more pennies in my pockets: $20.19 if you sell today. IR
not2serious	Re: Why can't we sell our own bones?	#4	[-]
Posts: 1133 (06/19/07 18:10:09) Oracle Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hey, I offered to sell my bone to women, but not much luck except to get threated with arrest. Seriously jim, we should be able to sell our extra kidney to the highest bidder. If we do not own our person and self, then there is NO FREEDOM of the individual at all. Allan
jimmiller46	Re: Why can't we sell our own bones?	#5	[-]
Posts: 680 (06/19/07 19:19:59) Syndicalist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Not2- my point was yours. As long as we're not hurting someone else why should we not be free to dispose of our personal property as we wish. including kidneys,bones, whatever. Incidentally,do they do bone transplants? With all the corpses being created each day there ought to be a thriving market.
Slydder	Bones and free enterprise	#6	[-]
Posts: 639 (06/19/07 21:45:17) Parsley Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Jim, it is an outrage. We should be able to buy sutures at a pharmacy and do our own surgery, or sell body parts on eBay. In a free society there wouldn't be government imposed barriers to practicing medicine, law, undertaking etc.
essrog	Re: Bones and free enterprise	#7	[-]
Posts: 20 (06/19/07 23:27:27) Field Marshall Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	free to wander through the crowd with tb smoking bleeding coughing I lit my pipe and cried Excelsior ARE YOU ESSROG? went forth and fifth and oozing filth fluids and stench boarded the #53 bus 4444 4...4 4...4 4444
jimmiller46	Re: Bones and free enterprise	#8	[-]
Posts: 680 (06/20/07 07:55:57) Syndicalist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Slydder- I live in Mexico. Here we can buy hypodermic needles and sutures in the local pharmacy,no prescription needed. Last year I needed penicillin. So we went to the pharmacy, bought a hypo, a little bottle of penicillin powder,and a little bottle of purified water. At home we mixed the powder and the water,and filled the hypo,then stuck it in me. People are free to kill themselves,treat themselves,or seek professional help. It's their choice. There is no nanny state telling us what we can do or not do every moment of our lives. No problem.
Slydder	Penicillin	#9	[-]
Posts: 639 (06/20/07 20:27:59) Parsley Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Last year I needed penicillin. So we went to the pharmacy, bought a hypo, a little bottle of penicillin powder,and a little bottle of purified water. At home we mixed the powder and the water,and filled the hypo,then stuck it in me. See! up here in the U.S. we can't do that. Instead we'd have to go through the embarrassment of telling our doctor that we have gonorrhea. I wish the USA would work its way to the top of the list of free countries.
Slydder	Fear and Loathing	#10	[-]
Posts: 639 (06/21/07 01:18:04) Parsley Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Next time you are in the pharmacy, see if they'll sell you a bag of ether pearls.
The Orange Duke	Re: Fear and Loathing	#11	[-]
Posts: 138 (06/21/07 16:15:59) Unindicted Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, in the first place because you are wrong, you have no property interest in your body parts, SCOTUS has already spoken on this issue. ----------------------------------- Strange online admissions: Logically, that would mean that all religion is false - Nimbo What They Are Saying About OD I was as forthright as I could be without calling you a full-fledged idiot. - Lemony Reincarnated
not2serious	Re: Bones and free enterprise	#12	[-]
Posts: 1133 (06/21/07 22:06:51) Oracle Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Jim, it is an outrage. We should be able to buy sutures at a pharmacy and do our own surgery, or sell body parts on eBay. In a free society there wouldn't be government imposed barriers to practicing medicine, law, undertaking etc. I am one who is a proponent of exactly what you feel is outragious. I have read the constitution, and there is NO such licensing practices renumerated by the constitution, so these is no such power. The states lost it with the 14th amendment. All the barriers are is to insure a royalty, which is also a violation of the constitution, and to make sure certain people can keep others out, so they can rip off the populace with high fees etc. I say get rid of these barriers and open up the country for government "by and for the people", not for the professionals who have avoided fee market effects. Allan
not2serious	Re: Penicillin	#13	[-]
Posts: 1133 (06/21/07 22:09:40) Oracle Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* See! up here in the U.S. we can't do that. Instead we'd have to go through the embarrassment of telling our doctor that we have gonorrhea. At the cost of $75, so we can get some drugs from our DEALER. Getting rid of such @#%$ would bring the cost of drugs and medicine by 90%, and I really don't think much of a change in our overall health as a nation. You just enjoy getting ripped off, oh well, a fool and his money.... allan
not2serious	Re: Fear and Loathing	#14	[-]
Posts: 1133 (06/21/07 22:11:55) Oracle Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Well, in the first place because you are wrong, you have no property interest in your body parts, SCOTUS has already spoken on this issue. You are right back to the 10th amendment. Those powers not specifically......................the states and the people. And the 14th amendment eliminated the "state" part, so it is up to the people. Another end run at freedom. I have always said, anyone who wants to stop me from control and taking my own life, I will do them a favor, I will take them with me! Allan
The Orange Duke	Re: Fear and Loathing	#15	[-]
Posts: 138 (06/22/07 14:33:20) Unindicted Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I dont know what you mean about the 14th amendment. The state governments are governments of general jurisdiction, the 14th amendment makes them subject to the Bill of Rights, but it does not mean that their sovereignty is limited in the way that the Feds are allegedly (and stupidly) limited. Further, the fact is that the Constitution says what SCOTUS says it says, and further still, the Constitution is not the source of all law in the US, the common law predates the Constitution, the Constitution may limit the scope, but as you suggest, there is nothing in the constitution saying you have or do not have a property right in your body, so if SCOTUS says you dont, you dont. So shut up about it already. And by the way, even if you did have a property right in your body (and you dont) the 14th amendment would not prevent either the Feds or a State from taking it away, it would just guarantee theyd have to give you due process. Which is basically going to be a hearing and notice, once they gave you the process, they could deprive you all to hEll. ----------------------------------- Strange online admissions: Logically, that would mean that all religion is false - Nimbo What They Are Saying About OD I was as forthright as I could be without calling you a full-fledged idiot. - Lemony Reincarnated
Innapod	Re: Fear and Loathing	#16	[-]
Posts: 4 (06/22/07 21:24:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	biteme
TwoPeas1958	Re: Fear and Loathing	#17	[-]
Posts: 4 (06/22/07 22:21:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I will.. hard
not2serious	Re: Fear and Loathing	#18	[-]
Posts: 1133 (06/23/07 10:16:26) Oracle Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Further, the fact is that the Constitution says what SCOTUS says it says, and further still, the Constitution is not the source of all law in the US, the common law predates the Constitution, the Constitution may limit the scope, but as you suggest, there is nothing in the constitution saying you have or do not have a property right in your body, so if SCOTUS says you dont, you dont. First, though mentioned, the constitution is the cornerstone of all law. While we may have had to use common law until such time as "constitutional" law because defined, common law is NOT legal basis for anything. IT WAS overroad by the constitution. And the 10th amendment ended any of the government having powers, including the "general welfare" clause of the constitution, that were no specifically given to it" just like the 13th ended the 3/5s laws, the 21 ended the 18th. And the 14th amendment effectively ended states rights of avoiding the restrictions of government placed on the feds by the constitution. In addition, the whole Idea of the constitution was for "LIMITED GOVERNMENT" and ownership "by and for the people". With that spirit put into play, scotus is just another bad political decision that we will eventually have to revolt to eliminate it's illegal control. The problem with our government is the need to be a lawyer to be a judge in many states. We elect with $$$$$ our supreme court in a very bad way. It needs to be amended to become a lottery of all male citizens, with minimal qualifications. To be a lawyer is to remove it from being "by and for the people, just like if legislators were required to be lawyers, and they WRITE the laws. You go and do what the good nazis tell you to do. There will be a place in the chambers for you if you do! Allan Always revolt against authority
Grace06	Re: Fear and Loathing	#19	[-]
Posts: 134 (06/23/07 14:29:47) Earth Spirit Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Seriously jim, we should be able to sell our extra kidney to the highest bidder. If we do not own our person and self, then there is NO FREEDOM of the individual at all. Allan I just cannot agree with that. It is about the only Health Care Issue in the States that is still not corrupt. (that we know of) If a family member is a match then they are allowed and body parts are used for them. However if we resort to selling to the highest bidder it becomes very corrupt. Example: A dying child #1 on the list for say a kidney, and a no account scum bag pedophile needs a kidney. (he also is not in dire need) But he offers high$$$$ and gets your kidney and continues own with his corrupt lifestyle and the child in need dies. In these organ cases the network is set up to be as fair as possible. Neediest and most viable is first. It is not a matter of freedom of the individual. If it is 'Your' family member you are allowed and they are allowed to choose and be first. grace06 "Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children."
not2serious	Re: Fear and Loathing	#20	[-]
Posts: 1133 (06/23/07 18:37:44) Oracle Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	grace, i disagree. It is the total elimination of my rights to be left alone. If I choose to sell my kidney for 50,000$, so be it, to whomever can pay. Just like I sell my car to the highest bidder. I could care less he is going to go out and know over a 711 with it, I have no right to make a value judgement. It is my kidney, my life, my body. Doesn't roe v wade mean anything a;llan

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